Japanese Women Vanity
I will probably get a lot of slack and criticism for this but what the Hell.
I made this video as a social experiment to dissect female sexuality in Japan. While the topic will require a lot more than a blog post because of its mass complexity, this might be a good impetuous for a debate and analysis.
Sexy Young Girls in Japan
I am a Human Rights Activist and I disagree how Japanese women behave towards themselves and towards men!
Japanese women and men suppress their sexuality until it explodes in a mad crescendo!
June 21st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
That is a really interesting viewpoint (about suppressed sexuality). Do you think that it is their fault though? I would think that its decades… no centuries of traditional repression of those feelings. We all know that it went on, but it was not really talked about. With the younger generation, however, we are seeing a shift to more of a western view of things, including sexuality.
June 21st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
xorsyst Dude, you must have lived in Japan and have had a relationship with a Japanese women to even come close to understand what I am talking about.
I think you have otherwise you would not agree with my premise!
Westerners especially men see Japanese women as Sex slaves, but they are deprived, abused, and misguided individuals.
I have nothing but pity and respect for Japanese women They are very sensual and loving, but Japanese society as well as the West has made them into this illusion of what they are not.
Sadly the Japanese women trying to live up to this illusion.
This is a sad example where Life imitates Art.
June 21st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
According the video I see the new age Japanese girls are quite different with the old one. In old days you can’t photo like this. Now they are willing to show herself in public even your old foreign geek.^^
June 21st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Randy, you think this is strange, read this!
Japanese Girl Nymph
Japanese women sexuality is so repressed that one day they just blow up and go on a wild fucking spree.
This girl fucked 10 guys in the guest house I was staying during a duration of a few days!
My French friend in Japan went to a toilet in McDonald’s. There was no paper in the lube, so he asked a Japanese girl. Instead of helping him get toilet paper, she dragged into the bathroom and fucked his brains out.
I have tons of wild sex stories that happened to me with Japanese ladies.
I do not know if it is possible to initiate a normal sexual relationship with Japanese women.
June 21st, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I kind of wish I did not name the post Japanese women Vanity, but Japanese Women Sexuality or Even Japanese Women deprived Sexuality
Actually it is even deeper than this! It is Japanese women identity crises!
While on the surface, Japanese women look vain, but they are not! Inside they are shy and scared creatures who need to be loved.
But how? When their own society binds them and suppresses their existence!
The Kimonos, the wooden shoes, the tatami floor that they sleep on.
June 21st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
All to often Society defines behavior…
June 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Dude very true, but sad.
Are you Japanese or your roots are Japanese by any chance?
June 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I’m not an expert in Japanese society, but most public health workers are women… so you know what the viewpoint of so called social science is. Keep in mind that the self help industry is based on vanity and consumption. They can’t sell books to men about psychoanalysis. Yes Freud 100 years ago spoke as a man, and he might of been the last. He wasn’t selling books, but rather was, without any real power, dealing with real people by himself . (innovative for his time, but today they want to write him off as a pure misogynist… when the real institutional failures of psychoanalysis began with his daughter Anna who created the power structure) Today you have to make it on Oprah to be legitimate. Our understanding of who benefits in foreign society is usually wrong. Saudi women have superior lives to the average Arab male… and most elitist tyrannies are not upheld by the minority men in power, but rather by institutionalized women. those ladies with the cloth over their heads are laughing at our arrogant women with their painted faces. We have erred in understanding our worst enemies. You can’t beat an enemy you don’t understand.
My own understanding of Japan is that it is not so much repressed sexually, but rather repressed verbally… but I could be wrong because I have not given Asian culture a lot of thought because they are a peaceful people these days. They seem to be a lot more adventurous, but they don’t talk about it. The mainstream media seems pornographic… am I wrong? So they are a culture of voyeurs/watchers? Objectivity tends to bring on shame. There seems to be an awful lot of this feeling there. They have no issue with sex as long as it can remain a secret. I have had a few Asian lovers and privacy was a real issue… but they were a bit more kinky (I mean that in a good way.)
I don’t think I can really talk about the details in public…
June 21st, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Noah, you raise so many interesting points here. I will try to address them one at a time and I feel there will be more post about this issues and their influence on western society and civilization as a whole.
Japanese people women and men are both repressed sexually. But you touched on a very interesting point, “communication”
This is the result of Japanese social sexual repression as self suppression!
Nanking Massacre by Japanese
Reading about the Japanese soldiers raping and mutating Chinese women will make your hair stand up!
In Japan as well as in whole Asia sex is sold same as bread and butter in shops, with no shame or reservation!
To Asians sex has no emotion, it is not used as an expressionism as in the west. I fear this comes from Zen and Buddhism.
Hence due to sexual suppression the Japanese women are wild lovers. When they do make love and it is very rare, even married ones, they explode in multitude of orgasms. It is like a river for them.
Here is another wild sexual story about a Japanese woman and me in Japan. I did not finish writing it yet, but it has a nice preview.
Hot chick in Japan
Your other points raised I will try to address later. Sexuality is a very complex issue that is intertwined in our core existence.
June 21st, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Hi Igor,
After watching that video, what I see is very pretty young Japanese girls, who are quite shy, and frightened of either the camera, or the man behind the camera. They don’t seem vain at all, but do seem quite Westernized. I was looking at what they were wearing, and most look like the teens here in the US, and dressed the same way. Also, they hang out in McDonald’s, really Westernized…they even eat our junk food!
It seems as if we have had a lot of influence on them, which I am not sure if it is wrong or not. More than likely wrong. Their own society has suppressed them in the past, and men have run their lives, as they have become slaves, and prostitutes for the men. It is a no wonder that their sexuality has been suppressed, and now it “explodes in a mad crescendo!”
The Japanese Society has really done a job on these woman, and our Western ways haven’t helped either. They are only doing what they were taught by their own Society.
June 21st, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Maybe some of you did not understand the issue that I am advocating, so hopefully this video by Reuters about Japanese Sex Dolls will clarify my stands!
June 21st, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Let’s just look at the situation and reverse it.
A strange and older Japanese man with a video stuck to his face starts hooting and hollering at random white women in an American mall. It seems that he is focusing the lense on their legs and is continually saying things in Japanese which the girls might not understand except for a few words like “sexy.”
How would they react?
My guess: Probably the same way - they’d feel embarrassed, ashamed, and more. What you did in the video Igor was essentially cat-call women. The reactions you got aren’t anything strange to Japanese women - it’s the natural reaction you get from anyperson when you belittle them.
I understand the point you want to make: That perhaps Japanese women aren’t as sexually free as western - but objectifying them like that in front of a camerae doesn’t prove anything.
Besides: The thesis you have is somewhat cliche - which is to say…. it’s known. We understand the sexual stereotypes. But playing into yourself and trying to mentally dominate women on camerae won’t help.
Just my two cents. I’m sure you have the best intents - but I question your method.
June 21st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Digidave, I get your point but try to understand where I am coming from as well.
I do sense a bit of Amerikana, but I will forgive you in that respect because of your great Social Media advocacy on Digg, StumbleUpon and your blog.
I hope we can get to know each other better as we cross paths in Social Media circles.
Just try to keep an open mind and be objective.
Oh and next time, please post as Digidave not as “Digidave The Troll” ROFLMAO
Thanks for your comment,
Igor
June 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm
You’ve raised some interesting, if not already known points.
Though it does appear that you need a neck brace there my friend.
The point about Zen and Buddhism in particular.
Correct me if I’m wrong but does not the concept of balance come into play. Not so extremely happy because you must always end up experiencing the opposite at some point which would lead to extreme sadness.
Thus by remaining in balance there will not be hopefully any terrible sadness.
Aside from that, there are centuries of conditioning to work with here.
Maybe next time a round table conversation so you can actually see some faces might be an idea though instead of the “round eyed” stalker roll.
Just sayin’
June 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Oh I totally agree with you! It is all about balance.
I studied Goju Ryu for ten years. About 3 years under Sense Kayo in NYC.
Goju Ryo encompasses meditation and breathing controlling the organs to achieve balance. Inside the art there is Zen and Chigun.
The origins of the art come from kung fu - Shaolin.
So I truly understand what is this about.
The social problem that we are facing, and I quite sure you agree with me, is the extreme disruption to the balance of Hard and Soft.
Go means hard in Japanese, while Ju means soft.
To achieve the human balance you need both. One cannot survive without the other.
Go is Sex, which is hard, Ju is Meditation which is soft.
We are losing our sexuality, not just in Japan but world wide!
If you have problem with Sexuality and you are Asexual that is a Social problem, a decease HSDD learn more about it on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual
Japan’s population suffers from HSDD and it is a grave problem leading to mass suicides, Stalking and Rapes and Murders of young Women.
There are many case of Chikan in Japan, where a Japanese man gropes a female on a train. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frotteurism
The HSDD decease is coming to the West via Manga and Sex dolls that will destroy our society as we know it! Learn about it!
June 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Yes, I’ve been studying Shaolin for some twenty-five years now, the whole, hard soft styles. Internal external.
It’s like walking the razors edge.
Taichi, one of the soft arts is so misunderstood here in the west. People see it as a group of old folks moving slow in a park for exercise.
Whereas it is a highly specialized martial art form and, how can I put it, body mind balancer. Invigorating the various organs and bringing about harmony and balance to meridians , mind and body. To achieve, of course, balance.
Truly life is a paradox.
June 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm
No wonder we connected. Sticky Hands in Cyber Space..
There are three type of meditations. Siting, Walking, and Living!
Living meditation is the highest form of the Art.
June 21st, 2008 at 10:46 pm
I would make the argument Mr. Troll that while yes I am hitting on the issue on communication, it is not that there isn’t enough of it… but rather using the arguments of Michel Foucault in “The History of Sexuality, Volumes 1,2&3″ that there is too much of it. I would also say you are 100% incorrect in advising an equal opportunity repression system when analyzing any culture. That there are significant differences is gender experience, and that the sense of honor among the women is very different then the situation with the men. Getting back to the differences between Freud and his daughter… there is a huge difference between one wise man using inside knowledge to help people and using that same knowledge to surveillance a civilization. You are correct is assuming that these woman go wild after depravation, but you are incorrect in assuming that the depravation is a norm. My experience with asian culture is there is a lot more sexual activity going on… they just (unlike ourselves) don’t talk about. You know the saying about “Conservatives” have better sex live? It is true. By not extroverting bodily functions you create a society where it is more normal, but just not talked about. The negative side of this is a loss of honor and shame that is lived with. Asian society is un-Freudian.
(again apologies about not being intimate with the culture, but if it weren’t obvious it wouldn’t be true)
June 21st, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Noah, I never said all Japanese women are Asexual. If you are examining Japanese women based on relationships you had with them outside of Japan they do not meet the profile that I have defined here.
But in Japan there is a huge problem. A lot of information never makes it to the Western shores. A lot of information is even a taboo to talk about it.
Imagine a 23 year old woman who only had sex with her husband to have a baby? Not because she does not want to have sex, but because there is no desire, on both part hers and his.
Have you heard of Maid Cafe? Where Japanese man go to have coffee and be served hand and foot by a skimpy made dressed young girl.
It is a fantasy without a climax.
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:26 am
as a former sex industry advertiser for the NYC Yellowpages from 2001 to 2003 (yes the Emperor’s Club was a client of the Yellow Page I worked for, though not my specific contract)… I have not heard of a Maid Cafe… but America has plenty of paid kink and we import a lot of these ladies from over there. It is as normal here as it is anywhere. I don’t think this is a good thing at all.
When I was having difficulties with my girl in 2001 I sold an ad to several escort services and experienced the service (but didn’t pay for it, so I guess I wasn’t breaking the law then hmmm? ;-p
back to the issue… Foucault’s point of view is that repression is inherent and as such if exposed society will crumble. A very post modernist take on liberation. “The Accursed Share” as Bataille would call it. Certain members of society must be consumed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Part_maudite
We are so arrogant in the West. We think transparency is the answer to everything. forcing Democracy on Hamas as Jimmy Carter supervises. We don’t know what in the hell we are doing.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 am
Listen : every human being has freedom to do what they want and what they like, unless you are a god or else you can never control a human rights… just like what you are saying in this post, you have the rights to say whatever you want.
But still I have to say it doesn’t matter whether what you say is right or wrong cos I really doesn’t care about what human right is as life still has to go on no matter what you write or how Japanese women or men are like…
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 am
Noah I think my whole premise has went over your had. You looking at this from a Wester perspective but you cannot.
I am not advocating for Wester culture to come to the East. It has already come and it has mangled and metamorphosed itself into this ugly beast.
The Asians did not learn free sex and free love ideas of the beatniks. They did not hear the words of John Lennon and Yoko Ono, but they only picked up the materialism concept.
The materialism concept has warped their true Oriental identity. Now this disfigured mutated parasite is coming to the West with vengeance.
Anyway, I do not want to discuss this with you here back and forth just the two of us. Let others contribute and then post again. If you want to talk Asian existentialism or any other philosophy I welcome you to do it in Friend Feed Igor The Troll room.
http://friendfeed.com/rooms/igor-the-troll
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Virtual Sex Maid
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 am
Wong, nice of you to drop by so unexpectedly! No I am not God neither am I claiming to be.
I guess you are Chinese from the sound of your name and I do not know if you live in China or in USA so you will have a slightly different view on this subject.
But what I am advocating against is humans fucking machines!
I doubt you getting any from your ladies!
Are you jealous if a big bad Westerner having Sex with your Asian sisters?
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm
haha no am not, am from singapore and am not a girl but you know is a comment so I just comment my point of view since this topic interest me that’s why I read every single word you wrote….
but still this kind of topic really can make a buzz on the internet, still I want to tell you if you doesn’t know sometimes money is all they need…. to live a life….
Seriously am not jealous you having sex with who, is that freedom rights is all human have ….
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Wong you cool, you identify with the problem!
“It is about money!” Materialism!
And you right, Asian man in Asia are not possessive of their women. They are not jealous if they date western man.
But sadly Asian man living in American ghettos are.
Maybe is because Amerika marginalizes them?
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 pm
The iPhone God
Techi Geeks, pray to the iPhone God so you can get laid! lol
Noah, will probably hate me for riping off his art work, but I do not give a Fuck!
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Lol i phone, china make a Hi phone with a ‘H’ in front….go take a look how it looks alike
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/02/05/hiphone-looks-mighty-familiar-almost-iphone-like/
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Yeah, China Rip Off is so quick! Do they make anything original besides beautiful ladies?
I like your MBL avatar!
Sexy Singapore Girl
Are you sure you are a guy? If you look like this chick, I will marry you! LMAO
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
lol my boyfriend just show me this post so I was wondering how to reply you, hehe too bad you can’t cos I’ve my love already ..thanks for your offer…
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Sawadekap! Mai penrai, pom tam di Chi Sanook!
Maybe will meet in Thailand one day!
I have a travel company there. If you heading to Thailand, you and your boyfriend look me up. I am in Japan now but will be going to Thailand in the fall. http://www.travelconnecxion.com/
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:12 pm
After watching the video (which is hentai-ish, border line creepy btw) I was surprised to see how you did raise some valid points. But a person who still calls Asians “Oriental” loses ALL instant credibility.
And yes, I am Japanese.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Nice to see a Japanese woman here. We do not want it to be one way and biased. I respect you for commenting here.
When I say Oriental, I refer to the philosophy not a race. Wester scholars have coined this term derogatively which I sympathize with you.
If I wanted to do Hentai, I could have done far worse, but I did not, because this is exploratory journalism and not variety sexist Japanese TV shows.
May I ask you if you are living in Japan now or in the west? Have you lived in the west and for how long?
Have you traveled outside Japan and I do not mean Hawaii?
I think many of the posters here are mystified with Oriantalism!
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I better stick the Wikipedia link describing the multi usage of the term “Oriental” or Mona will have me for lunch. LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental
I hope Mona is not a “drive by commentator” with just hit and run!
Will explain more about this if she does not come back. Do not want to be judgmental, but do reserve my judgment on past similar experiences with a Japan woman commenting on a similar type of discussion! Was a real nightmare.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 am
Ok, I’m going to reply back on here because it’s easier. I’ve noticed the transgression of the term “Oriental” to connote things. As in items ie: aisle in supermarket, rugs, the “Orient Express”, furniture, as opposed to classification of a race. Maybe the root of that transgression correlates to Western Scholars deeming it as derogatory, but currently that is the definition of the term… no? -
As for my hentai-ish comment, maybe I threw the word out too loosely but that youtube clip looked to me as borderline harassment. My culture in general is very shy and cover the awkwardness with the giggly demeanor. I understand the caption and topic doesn’t have to do with the video, but it made it seem as if you were trying to relay some sort of subliminal message.
Moving on…. I’ve been extremely fortunate to have been raised in Japan and the United States. I’ve lived in California, as well as New York City, spent time in various other East Coast areas (Boston, D.C.). Traveled to different Asian countries (aside from Japan), and most recently came back from a 2month stay in the Philippines. (Manila and Davao City). Why do you ask?
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:25 am
While some view Oriental as a derogative term most people do not when used in scholarly or artistic references.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism
Referring to a person as “You are Oriental” is pejorative and prejudice.
It is like saying all Japanese woman are vain! I never said this, I did not imply it, and I do not believe it.
When using the English language it gets a bit obscured as to its application and that is called semantics. The subtleties are some what evasive but I am sure you can relate to the etymology and linguistic formulation of the word as with the complexity of the Chinese Kanji system which is based on symbolism. A Kanji will have a different meaning as one connected to another Kanji. Same in English language a word will have a different meaning when it is connect to another word.
It is all about context not examined in a vacuum!
Anyway, enough with the English language, I am sure you had it up to your years since the Kindergarten in Japan.
Your culture is shy but at the same time very overt and manipulative!
Young girls as young as 14 years old prostitute themselves to older salary men for income so they can buy Gucci and Chanel bags to show themselves off to their friends.
Salary men pay young Japanese women money just to have a conversation with them in a a social club called hostess club.
There is so much sexual abstinence that the man create very imaginative fantasies via manga literature that sometime resolves to tragedy as rape and in many case Chikan.
Japan has a big social problem in dealing with its sexuality because talking about it is a taboo.
Has Japan always been so sexually depriving? No! Through history Japanese people have been very open to sexuality if not promiscuous.
Do I think Japanese woman are shy? Not at all. They look shy from the outside because it is the norm that is put on them by society.
I hope you are not having trouble understanding of my analysis of Japanese Orientalism.
Do I know what I am talking about? I hope so. I have been living in Japan for the past 15 years, have been married to a Japanese woman for the past 19 years. And have had other relationships with other Japanese women.
I am not trying to belittle, demean, and marginalize Japanese women, Asian women or any other women. I want to show the west and east what is happening in Japan due to western influence. The Japanese society has become glass half full.
It has lost a lot of its traditionalism and has adopted superficially wester materialism.
The reason I asked you about your travels, because a Japanese person would have different interpretations about life depending where they grew up and what countries the have spent many years at.
I traveled extensively in Americas, north, central, south! Europe, Asia, Middle East.
You are welcome to ask any question you want, but if you going to talk off topic and protracted discussion or explanation of the terminology I used please come to my Friend Feed room
http://friendfeed.com/rooms/igor-the-troll
I promise not to Bite or harass you, but you need to be objective and not play any games if you do come. Serious talk will beckon serious answer.
When people talk about sexuality they may make graphic references, so if you are uncomfortable with that speak up.
Just say what is on your mind, best principle of communication.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I really wish you would get back to my point above about the inherent martyrdom of civilization. I don’t buy the issue that the west corrupted the east at all. All the bad stuff in the west is in the east and all the bad stuff in the east is in the west. The good stuff from the west like liberation philosophies (Moses, Jesus, Pericles, Mohammed, Marx and Jung) are rarely seen in the east… while much of the east is reflected in the self (Freud, Georges Bataille, Ronald Reagan)
Mr Troll you are mistaking your concept of materialism with libidinal drives.
Marx was a materialist, and yet his materialism was a spirit of liberation.
Both East and West can get greedy.
I think Japanese culture has shown it’s ugly head plenty… as has ours. I’m not an equal opportunity PC kind of guy as you know… but it is silly to say we are above their fetish. If anything we have a lot to learn about shutting up about sex. communication and transparency is not a formula to success. Shame is inherent to human nature. A balance of repression is a healthy world view.
Death, Repression, Masturbation, Struggle are to be balanced effectively so that we can distribute dignity as best we can to all differing parties. Not all people are the same. When we start talking about equality and transparency… we can really get carried away by the talk show western culture. The best way to avoid the violent aspects of pain is through art. But do not be fooled into thinking of art as purely liberating. Freud saw art as a facet of repression. art is war
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Interesting comments! Prophets come from Middle East!
Middle East is part of the Orient so it is Eastern-Orientalism.
The European philosophers channeled Orientalism - Oriental Philosophies!
Sexuality has always been open in the Orient, only Christianity made it an Evil Sine.
The Beatniks learned about Sexuality form the East.
I am not advocating promiscuity and rampage sexual orgies for the world.
There needs to be a balance but that balance is warped towards abstinence!
Both the West and the East are suffering and will get worse because of the Internet and other robotic mechanizations!
Are we still human, or are we becoming closer to be a Machine?
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I think this is something you all should watch.
BlackBook - CRITICAL ANALYSIS: BBC Video on Marketing and Psychoanalysis
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Noah, thanks for the link! Interesting.